<PK3> Anonymous is the intellectual weaponsmith of the youth and the oppressed.
<TheMiNd> biella: are you still around?
<biella> TheMiNd, i was about to crash
<biella> what up?
<TheMiNd> You're a prof at NYU, right?
<TheMiNd> just wanted to verify I wasn't thinking you're someone you're not :p
<biella> TheMiNd, yep that is me
<biella> often confused for a student
<biella> but am on the other side :)
<biella> http://steinhardt.nyu.edu/faculty_bios/view/Gabriella_Coleman
<biella> that is me
<TheMiNd> yeah, I had the PDFleaks and the other interview open to watch
<TheMiNd> I was about to ask barrett if he'd tried to get in touch with you when you joined the channel :p
<PK3> aha, Anthropology. I KNEW my intended major would have something to do with being a caped crusader on the internet
<biella> heh
<TheMiNd> glad to have an anthropologist around
<biella> thanks TheMiNd
<TheMiNd> my boss is an anthropologist, but he's also a daoist, so his help would be rather unreliable :p
<biella> heeh
<biella> Ursula LeGuin
<biella> was the daughter of 2 anthropologists
<biella> and a taoist too
<biella> it shows in her work
<biella> ok i am off to bed, long long day
<biella> night folks
<TheMiNd> Bye
<biella> bye
<PK3> Does anyone have a decent scoop on ElBaradei's opposition movement in Egypt? Where does it fall politically against Mubarak and the M.B.?
<ayla_n> PK3: guardian article last week http://is.gd/cCzCh6 and he's on twitter? @elbaradei
<BarrettBrown> holy shit, that elbaradei?
<BarrettBrown> yeah, he's awesome
<BarrettBrown> that's who we need to be supporting
<ayla_n> yeah! doesn't talk much tho
<BarrettBrown> that's fine
<BarrettBrown> we'll talk for him
<ayla_n> http://www.taghyeer.net/ his site
<PK3> yeah i'm skeptical of talkers ever since i got hoodwinked in 2008
<PK3> i'd rather have people genuinely committed to the welfare of the people through action
<PK3> as you said, we can do the talking ;)
<PK3> not to pick sides, but i'd rather have elbaradei running the show than the brotherhood
<PK3> but that's not a decision i can make
<PK3> that's up to the Egyptians to settle
<PK3> otherwise we're no better than the CIA
<ayla_n> ^^
<PK3> actually i take that back
<PK3> we've got m0ar lulz than the CIA
<PK3> so we can use that as a fallback
<ayla_n> never too much luzl
<ayla_n> btw what happened to ED the other day, it was gone for a while. Did it get ddosed?
<ayla_n> http://www.iaea.org/About/dg/elbaradei/biography.html at IAEA site
<PK3> hey, who wants to 1-up the state of the union tomorrow night?
<ayla_n> how?
<PK3> anonymous writes a State of the People address, or something to that affect
<ayla_n> Barrett: fyi just accepted ProjectPM google doc under my real name haha so you don't wonder
<ayla_n> ooh PK3, i like that idea!
<PK3> would require some massive mobilization and some sort of actual structure rather than some long winded rant about how we deserve more toys
<PK3> i would pay attention to tunisia, #jan25, and bradley manning perhaps?
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<PK3> police states, your time will come.
<PK3> or something
<PK3> idk
<PK3> i just think the timing is right
<TheMiNd> Summary of the questions for obama on google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh5pqt1sM8w
<PK3> lol
<TheMiNd> and I'm proud of my question: Mr. President: Many of the questions submitted to you thus far are incoherent, with poor spelling and grammar. Has the American education system failed these people? If so, how do you plan to repair a program that is in such obvious need of reform?
<PK3> simple. abolish the fucking system and force kids to spend their days roaming libraries instead of schools.
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<PK3> </rant>
<PK3> i'm off, later
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<ayla_n> hopefully the libraries will still be open - we may have to occupy them and run them ourselves with all the budget cuts -
<ayla_n> 'nite all /quit
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<PK3> Party's on in Egypt today.
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<BarrettBrown> oh hai
<BarrettBrown> gotta switch locations real quick and then I'll be back on
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<BarrettBrown> yo yo
<PK3> ^^
<BarrettBrown> I hear Egypt is having some... incidents
<BarrettBrown> lol
<BarrettBrown> jajajajajajajajajja
<biella> http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20029423-281.html
<BarrettBrown> oh hail biella
<PK3> i saw that earlier. go figure.
<BarrettBrown> what's it say?
<biella> it is making its way
<PK3> the justice department is seeking laws on ISP data retention
<PK3> cue tea party outrage
<BarrettBrown> I've got a film treatment due Friday
<PK3> *crickets*
<BarrettBrown> so will be a bit out of the loop for next couple days
<BarrettBrown> nonetheless will be around
<biella> the NRA tends to be against this
<biella> they have stopped it before
<biella> one of the few cases the left and right are aligned
<BarrettBrown> brb
<PK3> i would hope so
<PK3> i find it harder and harder to take any political figure in the US seriously
<PK3> of any stripe
<PK3> probably why i ended up here
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<cparker> What exactly is ProjectPM? I read an article by BarrettBrown about scientific journalism... is that ProjectPM's primary focus? Better scientific journalism?
<biella> they are pretty depressing PK3
<BarrettBrown> Cparker: no, our primary goal is wider
<BarrettBrown> projectpm.org
<BarrettBrown> cparker: e-mail me and I'll have Clark Robinson send you some documents
<BarrettBrown> the Science Journalism Program, along with Africa Development Program, are the two sub-projects we've launched thus far
<BarrettBrown> overall, we seek to improve the flow of information and build networks connecting the erudite and ethical
<BarrettBrown> in order to pursue various shared goals
<cparker> Nice.
<cparker> What does "PM" stand for?
<TheMiNd> I'm back guys
<PK3> wb
<TheMiNd> started social psychology course today
<TheMiNd> Wishing i'd taken the class already, cause this knowledge would be really useful right now :\
<PK3> brb...
<BarrettBrown> PK3: I've forwarded your messagge to
<BarrettBrown> Clark, who will be in touch soon with those documents
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<TheMiNd> So I decided against having myself waterboarded, upon realizing that I spent a lot of time getting OVER my hydrophobia and I don't need to restart it :p
<BarrettBrown> good decision
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<BarrettBrown> okay, going to change locations yet again, back in a few minutes
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<ohthehugemanatee> hey all
<ohthehugemanatee> hm.  Too bad barrett isn't around
<ohthehugemanatee> I was hoping to talk about the Egypt situation
<JohnWK> Just left.
<ohthehugemanatee> pity
<ohthehugemanatee> I'll have to send an emil
<ohthehugemanatee> how's everyone else?
<JohnWK> Just fine.
<ohthehugemanatee> ... ok then
<lfzr> hey Campbell
<PK3> barrett will be back
<PK3> shortly
<ohthehugemanatee> hey lfzr how's it goin?
<lfzr> its alright..tons of work :\
<lfzr> how bout you?
<ohthehugemanatee> TONS of work
<ohthehugemanatee> the satellite sentinel thing has been my existence for the last 2 months
<ohthehugemanatee> we just completely rewrote the mapping for the site, because what we got from google was.... not impressive
<ohthehugemanatee> we're launching that tomorrow, along with some pretty fucking amazing reports
<ohthehugemanatee> should be a fun time
<ohthehugemanatee> but meantime, my life is work :|
<lfzr> http://www.satsentinel.org/?
<ohthehugemanatee> yep
<lfzr> looks sexy!
<ohthehugemanatee> thanks- we threw it together in 2 weeks
<ohthehugemanatee> the map part was provided by google, and honestly I'm not too happy with it
<ohthehugemanatee> it ignores the way people actually look for information
<lfzr> yea the 2 scroll bars looks kludgy
<lfzr> and that
<ohthehugemanatee> the new mapping is at clients.trellon.org/sentinel-test/sudan-map if you wanna look
<ohthehugemanatee> click on a dot, and you can see the satellite imagery that it references
<ohthehugemanatee> it sizes dots based on how many reports are in the area
<PK3> wow. thats fantastic
<ohthehugemanatee> thanks!
<lfzr> beautiful!
<ohthehugemanatee> you should check in on thursday.  a couple of new partners are signed on, and the first big report out of harvard is hitting
<ohthehugemanatee> this is big stuff
<ohthehugemanatee> tel you, one of the biggest challenges
<ohthehugemanatee> naming
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<ohthehugemanatee> all the place names are in arabic, and there's no formal way to transliterate
<lfzr> aha
<ohthehugemanatee> so people spell "Abyei" 50 different ways
<ohthehugemanatee> so the UN gave us this database, basically a list of 30,000 different ways to spell place names
<ohthehugemanatee> and the latitude/longitude they correspond to
<JohnWK> Greetings, Barrett.
<ohthehugemanatee> unfortunately, their lat/long doesn't agree with google's
<ohthehugemanatee> by several hundred miles, actually
<ohthehugemanatee> so it's been a trip :)
<lfzr> oh wow
<ohthehugemanatee> hey BarrettBrown
<lfzr> yea that must have been tons of work
<ohthehugemanatee> really you just have to pick which coordinates are "reference", but it caused some confusion
<ohthehugemanatee> anyway, i'm not the technical mastermind... I jsut make sure the pieces come together right :)
<BarrettBrown> ohthehugemanatee: yo yo
<BarrettBrown> we've been busy
<ohthehugemanatee> I know!
<ohthehugemanatee> great news on Tunisia
<ohthehugemanatee> now... we doing anythign for Egypt?
<BarrettBrown> PUT ON SOME TEA, I HAVE STORIES
<BarrettBrown> yes
<BarrettBrown> assisting the secularists
<PK3> the skiddies are taking down govt websites
<PK3> fine by me
<lfzr> <3 skiddies
<BarrettBrown> with our Guide to Protecting the Arab Revolution Series
<BarrettBrown> see this
<BarrettBrown> http://www.typewith.me/qdjqeFFu8O
<BarrettBrown> mostly notes and whatnot so far
<lfzr> nessus + db_autopwn does wonders
<BarrettBrown> look it over
<BarrettBrown> want to put it out soon
<BarrettBrown> will hinge on net security and organization
<ohthehugemanatee> nice
<BarrettBrown> see previous guides as well
<BarrettBrown> also we have many direct contacts in North Africa
<BarrettBrown> and hundreds of slightly less direct contacts
<ohthehugemanatee> erm, shoudl I be behind tor when contributing?
<BarrettBrown> Hastings put Newsweek's tunisia reporter in touch with me yesterday
<lfzr> the software package outlined in that doc could be very useful
<BarrettBrown> this is all legal
<lfzr> is anyone working on it?
<BarrettBrown> lfzr: sporadically, yes
<BarrettBrown> lots of Arabs, Anons, IT people
<ohthehugemanatee> lots of things are legal.  It doesn't seem to matter anymore
<PK3> significant action in cairo right now
<PK3> gunshots
<PK3> http://www.justin.tv/cairowitness?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=02.chat.mibbit.com#/w/797816992
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<ohthehugemanatee> that's what I was talking about
<BarrettBrown> yeah, PK3 is just alerting us to specifics
<BarrettBrown> we've been on Egypt since yesterday
<PK3> this is live.
<ohthehugemanatee> barrett, do you think that setting up a drupal commons site to organize our efforts and info dissemination would be useful?
<BarrettBrown> that fellow from DKOS has webcam feed from Cairo
<ohthehugemanatee> I can get that guy up for you by this weekend
<BarrettBrown> yes, it would
<ohthehugemanatee> o
<PK3> could just be teargas
<ohthehugemanatee> ok
<ohthehugemanatee> i'll see if I can get it faster... i have a big launch for satsentinel.org coming up tomorrow so I'm kinda swamped
<lfzr> also we should setup a signup page on the projectpm.org site
<ohthehugemanatee> do we want more people contributing there?
<ohthehugemanatee> I can unlock signups and make that open
<lfzr> yea ideally we want to be able to manage current and perhaps future members there
<lfzr> instead of through a google doc
<lfzr> so when they signup they can automatically be added to a mailing list and Clark, Scott, Barrett and others can query the member ilst for info
<BarrettBrown> PK3: we just had reports of teargas used in Algeria
<BarrettBrown> not sure which town
<BarrettBrown> campbell: yes, we do
<BarrettBrown> I've been recruiting from Anon for a week now
<BarrettBrown> still integrating them
<PK3> this shit's spreading fast.
<ohthehugemanatee> BarrettBrown: I guess I don't understand.  We want them contributing on our informational website?  Or we want them contributing in the wiki?
<ohthehugemanatee> or what?
<ohthehugemanatee> help me understand the objective here
<PK3> we're not all /b/tards
<ohthehugemanatee> PK3: lol I sure hope not
<BarrettBrown> ohthehugemanatee: contributing to the collaborative docs we set up
<BarrettBrown> like this
<BarrettBrown> http://typewith.me/owA6rmGfP6
<BarrettBrown> and the third guide in particular
<BarrettBrown> I need you and Sundeep to look over what's been written to make sure you agree with input
<BarrettBrown> there are a lot of directions we can go in terms of providing networking solutions to North Africa
<ohthehugemanatee> ok... but how does an account on our info site help people contribute to collaborative docs on typewith.me ?
<BarrettBrown> oh, it doesn't
<BarrettBrown> I'm only paying half-attention, on phone with contact
<BarrettBrown> basically, it's getting to the point where I can't make these decisions; I lack technical expertise
<lfzr> we could setup etherpad
<lfzr> which is what that typewith.me site is running
<BarrettBrown> to the extent you want to call the shots, do so
<lfzr> and then mod it to work with user logins
<ohthehugemanatee> why mod it when there is so much out there?
<BarrettBrown> or to the extent that you're willing to. I wouldn't wish this on anyone.
<ohthehugemanatee> I'm halfway through commons setup right now
<ohthehugemanatee> it will do user auth, and give collaborative spaces
<ohthehugemanatee> is real time collaborative editing a requirement?
<BarrettBrown> be sure to talk to pk3 here when younhave a moment
<BarrettBrown> if possible
<BarrettBrown> it would really help
<lfzr> real time chat + editing in one place is more convenient than irc + wiki
<BarrettBrown> we've come to use that lately and I'm very pleased
<lfzr> imho
<BarrettBrown> yeah
<BarrettBrown> lfzr: agreed
<PK3> yeah piratepads, etherpads and typewithme have been phenomenal
<ohthehugemanatee> lfzr: there's an etherpad port for drupal already, in alpha
<ohthehugemanatee> researching alternatives
<JohnWK> So, Campbell and lfzr, you're the IT people barrett wanted me to speak with.
<BarrettBrown> Meet John Waker
<BarrettBrown> not his real name
<lfzr> hey
<proje568> hello
<ohthehugemanatee> hey JohnWK :)
<ohthehugemanatee> nice to meet you
<JohnWK> Likewise.
<ohthehugemanatee> aw, projectpmbot needs to be restarted
<ohthehugemanatee> meh - can't be bothered
<ohthehugemanatee> where are you from john?
<BarrettBrown> I CAN'T LET YOU DO THAT DAVE
<JohnWK> Classified.
<BarrettBrown> you won't get much out of John
<BarrettBrown> regarding himself
<BarrettBrown> but he has some interesting ideas
<JohnWK> Resident IT expert.
<BarrettBrown> regarding what can be done for North Africa with a bit of hardware
<JohnWK> Hardware architect, signed off of AMD's workforce mid-2010.
<BarrettBrown> John, I'm going to quote you
<BarrettBrown> [19:17] <Waker> Let me introduce you to a corporation called Altera.
<BarrettBrown> [19:18] <Waker> Big friends of mine in high places make FPGAdevelopment boards, okay.
<BarrettBrown> [19:18] <Waker> They're fit for student and hobbyist use.
<ohthehugemanatee> great, what's your speciality
<BarrettBrown> [19:20] <Waker> These can be used to make a System-on-a-chip design.
<BarrettBrown> [19:20] <Waker> to be distributed in casings.
<BarrettBrown> [19:20] <Waker> To the country.
<BarrettBrown> [19:22] <Waker> The BeMicro.
<JohnWK> Digital system design and prototyping.
<ohthehugemanatee> badass - a real hardware hax0r
<JohnWK> I'm a collaberator on the PHENOM II projects.
<ohthehugemanatee> you have my respect
<JohnWK> And did the late Athlon revisions of 09.
<ohthehugemanatee> and some of my awe
<JohnWK> Thanks.
<ohthehugemanatee> but not too much of my awe, I don't give that away cheap
<JohnWK> Damn, how much a pound
<ohthehugemanatee> hm... gold is down this week, right?
<ohthehugemanatee> awe is up
<biella> http://www.theawl.com/2011/01/tonight-in-cairo-the-parliament-is-surrounded
<JohnWK> Better invest quickly then.
<biella> great round up
<JohnWK> but, yes.
<ohthehugemanatee> anyway... you still want to build a system on a chip for these regions?
<JohnWK> Been doing it for years.
<JohnWK> Verilog prototyping is my speciality.
<JohnWK> Ready-to-go dev boards are cheap and so are parts.
<PK3> the NYT gets it right on Egypt and Tunisia: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/world/middleeast/23egypt.html?pagewanted=2
<ohthehugemanatee> why not just piggy back off of someone else's work, like the OLPC crowd?
<PK3> actually i meant to link to page one
<PK3> oops
<JohnWK> Take a look at the OLPC XO-1.
<JohnWK> Geode.
<ohthehugemanatee> link me?
<JohnWK> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1
<JohnWK> Plus.
<JohnWK> I don't like to piggy back off of existing companies that I've had affiliations with.
<JohnWK> If Barrett wants to then hey, that's fine with me.
<BarrettBrown> I defer  to you folks on these things
<BarrettBrown> I'm a propaganist, I don't really know how to do things
<JohnWK> Plus. It gives US control of the hardware.
<ohthehugemanatee> I just don't like re-inventing the wheel unless we get a benefit out of it
<BarrettBrown> agreed
<JohnWK> Well. I leave that choice to Barrett, this is his field and apparently your's.
<ohthehugemanatee> nah, you know more than me
<ohthehugemanatee> what could we put together on our own?
<BarrettBrown> I defer to Campbell, you, Sundeep, etc
<BarrettBrown> also, Campbell
<TheMiNd> guys, do we have any ideas to deal with the SMS/Twitter outages?
<BarrettBrown> I'll be around as usual but am supposed to finish film treatment by Friday
<BarrettBrown> but I think we should be set in terms of recruiting from Anon and whatnot
<TheMiNd> my best one is still distributing radio how-tos :\
<TheMiNd> and pumped up wifi
<JohnWK> ohthehugemanatee: The issue in these countries is quality builds and security.
<ohthehugemanatee> definitely
<JohnWK> Custom built hardware gives us control of what can be seen by outside viewers.
<ohthehugemanatee> no question
<TheMiNd> maybe portable wifi centers?
<JohnWK> We can transmit by a standard we create.
<JohnWK> Exactly.
<PK3> mind i've heard suggestions of utilizing bluetooth somehow
<PK3> no idea how that would work
<JohnWK> It won't.
<JohnWK> Satellite is your best bet for portable wifi centers.
<JohnWK> Either that or a shitload of verizon SIMM cards.
<TheMiNd> JohnWK: what kinds of signals can these verilog cards send?
<JohnWK> Any you require as long as we get daughtercards for the wireless interface.
<TheMiNd> is there anyway to jury rig a DSL connection between two computers?
<JohnWK> Depends on the environment.
<JohnWK> We need a way of routing communications in and out.
<JohnWK> And a way of distributing them without outside tracing.
<JohnWK> Whatever system we design.
<JohnWK> We can port linux to it.
<JohnWK> GCC is flexible enough as I'm sure you know.
<TheMiNd> nope.
<JohnWK> I can design an architecture in little as 30 minutes.
<TheMiNd> I'm thinking jacked up verilog card => phoneline => wifi transmitter
<BarrettBrown> Jonathan Kundra should be joining us in a moment
<JohnWK> Excellent.
<TheMiNd> er jacked up wifi transmitter
<BarrettBrown> he's our connection to French North African community
<BarrettBrown> among other things
<JohnWK> What info does he have on the situation? Stupid to ask but hell why not.
<TheMiNd> I guess we really don't even need the phone line unless we want to connect to outside world
<TheMiNd> what we really need is a darknet, but I'm not anyone to judge the effectiveness of existing protocols vs. building our own
<JohnWK> IEEE standards are shit.
<JohnWK> If we're going to take a darknet and distribute.
<JohnWK> I'd say range issues would appear.
<BarrettBrown> John: He gets a lot of info from us. He mostly sends info to them.
<TheMiNd> we need mobile wifi hotspots to be the seeders
<BarrettBrown> we tend to get our info from people on the ground
<JohnWK> So you want it to be a P2P network.
<TheMiNd> ok tell me what you think of this
<ohthehugemanatee> well, what comunications are prevalent there?
<JohnWK> ^
<JohnWK> This is the thing I'm hinging on.
<ohthehugemanatee> I know in a lot of africa, cell phones are way more common than phone lines
<BarrettBrown> Campbell: Can get you a better answer regarding specific countries  in a bitr
<ohthehugemanatee> so hooking in via cellular... even cellular dialup would be something
<JohnWK> ...Distributed cellular modems.
<TheMiNd> hey barrett, I'm gonna see if Randall Munroe will help us
<ohthehugemanatee> JohnWK: then don't we need a carrier?
<ohthehugemanatee> bitr?
<JohnWK> we do.
<JohnWK> My phone can be used as a dialup modem via bluetooth's protocol.
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<JohnWK> DE1 boards have a USB interface.
<JohnWK> Bluetooth dongles are cheap.
<JohnWK> We could make portable wifi hotspots via the cellphones.
<JohnWK> And bluetooth connections within a local area.
<JohnWK> Routed through the FPGA's ethernet port onto an external 'top or on the FPGA itself.
<TheMiNd> BarrettBrown: Do you know the webcomic xkcd?
<TheMiNd> and its creator randall munroe?
<TheMiNd> anyway... sorry got distracted
<TheMiNd> So if I left my wifi open and shared files on my computer
<BarrettBrown> TheMiND: I've spoken to Randall a couple times
<ohthehugemanatee> seems pretty good
<TheMiNd> good.
<BarrettBrown> been meaning to do a profile on him but get distracted
<ohthehugemanatee> dialup over cellular would be damn slow
<BarrettBrown> I do plan to bring him in at some point
<JohnWK> But it's something.
<ohthehugemanatee> but perfectly fast enough for one liners and text posts
<TheMiNd> i wont' bug him then if you're already in comms with him
<BarrettBrown> I'll talk to him soon
<JohnWK> however.
<JohnWK> This relies on the fact that all of those phones have bluetooth modem support.
<PK3> heh, this week is the WEF in Davros right?
<TheMiNd> he lurked a bit in operation payback early on
<TheMiNd> and did a comic about anonymous
<JohnWK> I need stats on what phone models that they use.
<TheMiNd> jesus christ 2 months ago i was impressed when anon had people buried in ISPs
<TheMiNd> JohnWK: ask PLF, he may have contacts in the area already.  Not sure how many egyptians are in the irc at this point
<JohnWK> I'll get on that.
<BarrettBrown> PLF = People's Liberation Front
<BarrettBrown> old school hackers, phone phreakers
<JohnWK> Very nice.
<BarrettBrown> I'll tell them to come in
<JohnWK> Get everyone you can on this.
<TheMiNd> they already know about the attack on sarah palin too
<JohnWK> We'll need many software and hardware engineers on this team.
<JohnWK> And distributed resources.
<JohnWK> I'll be bringing a contact in that will help with this, name's Zephon.
<ohthehugemanatee> i'm behind the times - attack on palin?
<TheMiNd> anyway
<TheMiNd> with an open network on my wifi, and jacked up range, anyone on my block could theoretically download TOR, mIRC, and carepackage
<TheMiNd> or any other information I want
<BarrettBrown> oh, for those who don't have this one
<BarrettBrown> http://typewith.me/optunisia
<JohnWK> This all depends on how they access the internet.
<BarrettBrown> I've e-mailed PLF, he'll be around soon
<TheMiNd> JohnWK: i'm talking USA
<JohnWK> Via existing computer or ones that we supply.
<JohnWK> oh.
<JohnWK> Yeah, pretty much.
<TheMiNd> or other countries with more penetration
<JohnWK> But with here.
<JohnWK> We either need to supply a client or have another group supply it.
<TheMiNd> now, if in that folder is ANOTHER guide to setting up the next hotspot... my neighbor down the block downloads it too
<PK3> themind are you not putting yourself up for some sort of triangulation if you do that
<PK3> ?
<TheMiNd> and now the bubble of coverage has spread another half a block
<JohnWK> Exactly.
<JohnWK> They'll trace you.
<TheMiNd> PK3: yeah
<TheMiNd> so everyone can't be sharing it
<JohnWK> What you need is something they can't monitor.
<ohthehugemanatee> have them all contribute to a freenode site?
<TheMiNd> i'm thinking keep it mobile
<JohnWK> Do some hardware splicing.
<JohnWK> I control what my ISP sees.
<JohnWK> You can too.
<PK3> heh, too bad you cant use TV remote technology or something silly like that
<TheMiNd> IR?
<ohthehugemanatee> yeah, freenode is a sort of p2p web
<ohthehugemanatee> it
<ohthehugemanatee> it's not great, but it's distributed and anonymous at least
<TheMiNd> we also have i2p
<ohthehugemanatee> i2p's maybe a better idea
<TheMiNd> one of the devs (just the GUI, but still) lurks around
<TheMiNd> he's d3v| something
<TheMiNd> on anonops
<BarrettBrown> Tunisia reporter for Newsweek wants me to get him in touch with Tunisians
<BarrettBrown> anyone who meets anyone good on IRC, let me know
<BarrettBrown> he's in Tunisia, incidentally
<JohnWK> Will do.
<BarrettBrown> IRC is better than being present
<BarrettBrown> apparently
<BarrettBrown> he wants to speak to police and army folks if possible but I don't have any of those
<TheMiNd> http://twitter.com/#!/slim404 mebbe?
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